Another clear indication
I was mentally preparing my next post, which was going to be about how conditions have dramatically improved in downtown Jhb, and Braamfontein - how clean these areas are, how they're showing signs of revival and turning into potentially thriving centres of business and pavement cafe social activity... but, typically, that's all become a bit soured now, and what I'm rather going to talk about is this...
One of my clients, a very forward thinking person who gave up his lucrative career in London and came back to SA to try and make a difference in the local internet industry and make a contribution to SA in general, has recently rented office space in downtown Jhb, both because he enjoys the sense of renewal and because it's his way of putting his money where his mouth is when it comes to being positive about Jhb and SA. The building, Corner House (corner of Commissioner and Simmonds) is being restored by a property development company that is going out of their way to ensure that they create the best conditions possible to attract businesses back into the centre of town, as part of their positive contribution to Jhb and SA.
We've been enjoying the sense of revitalisation that we're seeing in the city, and it's become quite a pleasure driving in every morning (I spend half days in his office). I've even toyed with the idea of taking an office next door to him to run my own freelance business from.
Until this morning, when we arrived back from getting coffee at the Ninos in Fox Street to find that the office has been broken into and his laptop stolen - of course containing most of his business. (Now we can have a separate discussion about the need to back up your work, but that's not the point right now.)
The point is that, once again, no matter how much positive attitude and action one takes in one's own small way, the stark reality of this place is ultimately that, you know what, at the end of the day the rot runs so deep that it's really just too little too late.
I'm trying not to get too angry or self-righteous about this, but it's really just another sign - I don't need this shit in my life and I'm now even more determined to go and live in a civilised country. OF COURSE theft happens everywhere, OF COURSE there is crime everywhere - I'm not naive. But it's an odds game. In poker, if the odds are too high, you fold. If you continue to play against the percentages and you don't get incredibly lucky, you lose your money. No-one in their right mind would argue against that.
In SA, we're so clearly on the wrong side of the percentages, so all I'm after is to live in the place where the odds are more on my side. So AGAIN I'm not saying that anywhere is perfect - I'm just looking for something a bit better. It's a no-brainer, really.
It's been very interesting getting responses to my decision to leave from people in SA vs people outside the country.
Almost all the people in SA are cautioning me against making rash decisions, and arguing that things are actually not so bad here, that I'm too negative (that's a favourite), that I'm employing black and white thinking etc, but if I really feel this way, then of course I need to leave. (The sub text being that the problem lies with me, not with this country). Of course there are exceptions, I'm generalising here, so don't take it personally if the shoe doesn't fit, lol :)
EVERY single person that I correspond with outside SA, be they ex South Africans or not, is saying things like - "Hello, what took you so long / of course things are better here / we're so glad you've woken up".
That in itself speaks volumes to me.
One of my clients, a very forward thinking person who gave up his lucrative career in London and came back to SA to try and make a difference in the local internet industry and make a contribution to SA in general, has recently rented office space in downtown Jhb, both because he enjoys the sense of renewal and because it's his way of putting his money where his mouth is when it comes to being positive about Jhb and SA. The building, Corner House (corner of Commissioner and Simmonds) is being restored by a property development company that is going out of their way to ensure that they create the best conditions possible to attract businesses back into the centre of town, as part of their positive contribution to Jhb and SA.
We've been enjoying the sense of revitalisation that we're seeing in the city, and it's become quite a pleasure driving in every morning (I spend half days in his office). I've even toyed with the idea of taking an office next door to him to run my own freelance business from.
Until this morning, when we arrived back from getting coffee at the Ninos in Fox Street to find that the office has been broken into and his laptop stolen - of course containing most of his business. (Now we can have a separate discussion about the need to back up your work, but that's not the point right now.)
The point is that, once again, no matter how much positive attitude and action one takes in one's own small way, the stark reality of this place is ultimately that, you know what, at the end of the day the rot runs so deep that it's really just too little too late.
I'm trying not to get too angry or self-righteous about this, but it's really just another sign - I don't need this shit in my life and I'm now even more determined to go and live in a civilised country. OF COURSE theft happens everywhere, OF COURSE there is crime everywhere - I'm not naive. But it's an odds game. In poker, if the odds are too high, you fold. If you continue to play against the percentages and you don't get incredibly lucky, you lose your money. No-one in their right mind would argue against that.
In SA, we're so clearly on the wrong side of the percentages, so all I'm after is to live in the place where the odds are more on my side. So AGAIN I'm not saying that anywhere is perfect - I'm just looking for something a bit better. It's a no-brainer, really.
It's been very interesting getting responses to my decision to leave from people in SA vs people outside the country.
Almost all the people in SA are cautioning me against making rash decisions, and arguing that things are actually not so bad here, that I'm too negative (that's a favourite), that I'm employing black and white thinking etc, but if I really feel this way, then of course I need to leave. (The sub text being that the problem lies with me, not with this country). Of course there are exceptions, I'm generalising here, so don't take it personally if the shoe doesn't fit, lol :)
EVERY single person that I correspond with outside SA, be they ex South Africans or not, is saying things like - "Hello, what took you so long / of course things are better here / we're so glad you've woken up".
That in itself speaks volumes to me.
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Yo Zapruder...
Dude, I'm truly surprised at some of the faultiness of your arguing.
Your CONCLUSION is correct, but your means of GETTING to it, in terms of pure argument are almost completely incorrect.
When you nudge people for pointing out when you're indulging in black and white thinking, a style of thinking you have ASKED me to point out to you when you're doing it, when you nudge people who warn you to consider things carefully, when you nudge people who caution you against negative thinking...
You are in that nudge commiting two major thought-hygiene sins...
1. You're going ad hominem. This means, in rugby terms, that you're playing the man, not the ball. And your being a rugby fan means that you know that's an instant penalty. Now if you were playing poker, that's completely acceptable. And even required. But in arguing, that doesn't ACTUALLY make your point. It simply weakens it.
2. You're commiting a category error. This means that you're taking a point from one category and applying it to another one. It's a rhetorical device you're using when you do this. It's faulty in that you compare apples to pears with this tool. In your case, you're taking people's cautions ABOUT YOUR THINKING STYLE and applying them to the category of 'Suggesting that Zapruder stays in South Africa'.
When I point out your black and white thinking, I'm (1) not attacking you, (2) not attempting to persuade you to stay in South Africa, (3) not denigrating your decision to leave, (4) not being moralistic or judgemental. I'm simply pointing out your black and white thinking.
I don't know about the other people in your life. But I do know about myself.
What concerns me deeply about this post and the one that follows is that they both mask a bit of self-deception. As I know you, and as I experience you, I'm reading these things. Others may NOT read these things in you. I'm reading them.
My specific reading of these two posts is that you're actually not trying to persuade others about your decisions. Rather, it's seeming to me that you're using faulty reasoning to bolster your OWN beliefs and decisions.
Again, I reiterate, this is NOT a judgement or an attack. It's me cutting to the chase AS I SEE IT, and me putting the cards on the table so that you're able to see them.
And, again, I'm NOT saying anything AT ALL about your decision to leave or not leave. I'm not saying ANYTHING about South Africa or Joburg or crime or love or sex or exercise or joy or peace or Iraq or America. I'm talking ONLY ABOUT THE WAY YOUR THINKING IS COMING ACROSS TO ME. The thinking itself. NOT the content.
You've studied enough in the world to know that the CONTENT (the stuff you're thinking ABOUT) and THE WAY YOU THINK (the container of the content) are NOT THE SAME THING.
So hear this or not, dude.
My alarm bells have not stopped ringing since our telephone conversation. And I'm deeply concerned about you.
If other people's alarm bells aren't ringing, dude, it's cos either:
(1) they're not seeing the same things I'm seeing (ie, you're not revealing such things to them),
(2) they're colluding with your drama, namely, they're arguing the CONTENT of your thinking rather than the thinking itself,
(3) they're persuaded by your rhetoric, and they're not being critical enough,
(4) they're simply tired of arguing content over thinking style with you, and saying, 'We can't cure the alcoholic, all we can do is support him; he'll end up where he ends up; we're powerless over his addictions.'
(5) or I'm wrong about what I'm reading. At the same time, you're not doing my alarm bells any good whatsoever when you resort to the two rhetorical tricks I've talked about above. Cos if you're not aware that you're USING those tricks, then you're CAUGHT in classic Zapruder circular thinking, and you're in trouble.
So dude... use this comment. Don't use it. But please don't pull the rhetoric tricks on me. Cos it's pissing me off. You know better. And it's making me feel like you're being pretty disrespectful of my friendship.
Blue skies
love
Roy
I hear what you're saying, and I have to say I still think we're talking at cross purposes, because I fundamentally don't agree that I'm indulging in black and white thinking. I also think I might not be understanding exactly what your definition of black and white thinking is.
Black and white thinking, as I understand it - and this is where I may be misunderstanding - would mean that I am overlooking exceptions to what does not fit into the neat black and white zones because I am incapable of subsuming grey areas or contradictory thoughts into my thought pattern.
I've been thinking a lot about whether I am thinking in black and white or not, because even though I am at a complete loss as to your alarm bells over this, I am nevertheless giving you the benefit of the doubt to the extent of constantly checking my thoughts for what you are seeing.
Here's one of the reasons I do not believe I'm thinking in black and white:
While driving around lately, I've come across some atrocious driving from others, as you can imagine. If I were indulging in black and white thinking, my thoughts would have been "%#&$, these %#$%@$ stupid drivers in this country - at least people in Dubai have more sense and consideration for others on the road" and this would have emotionally strengthened my resolve to move. It would also have been lying to myself about the reality, so that it would fit into my black and white thinking.
Instead, my thoughts were - "what an idiot, but at least it's not as bad as the way they drive in Dubai".
That tells me immediately that I'm thinking rationally, because I am able to identify and acknowledge negative aspects of Dubai, as well as identify and acknowledge positive aspects about this place - like the aforementioned startling rejuvenatation and cleanliness of downtown Jhb and Braamfontein.
Black and white thinking would immediately lead me to ignore these things that are contrary to the black and white picture, and I am sincerely comfortable that this is not what I'm doing.
In addition, whenever I do get into black and white thinking, as emotionally convinced as my mind is at the time, there is always deep down a nagging feeling of dissonance, a realisation at some level that I'm bullshitting myself. I might ignore it and carry on with the irrational thinking, but I can always feel it. In all this thinking that I've been doing, there is no sign of this dissonance.
You can also believe this or not - I am calmer and more positive, and essentially happier at the moment than I was last year, primarily because I have that intuitive sense that I am heading in the right direction, with the peace of mind that this brings. Now if I were drinking or smoking at the same time, this peace of mind would be false. Without those buffers however, I know I can trust it.
In other words it's all lining up.
Now - your alarm bells. As convinced as you are that they are infallible, you have to acknowledge that you might just be wrong, and that there are other processes going in your mind that are causing them. You must admit that you are one of the more alarmist types out there (as am I), and so your alarm threshold is lower than might otherwise be.
But because this happens at a gut level, no amount of discussion is going to quiet them down, which is why we're at a bit of an impasse. I can go on til I'm blue in the face about my own state of mind, as I have above, I can lay my thought processes bare for others to check (as I've done - and by the way double checking them with other people with experience of the same things as I have is not the same as an appeal to authority), but I don't think this appeases your alarm bells in any way.
As for my arguments, yes, I am completely trying to persuade other people about my decisions. This is indeed erroneous - because I am happy with my decisions and the need to convince others is a part of my people-pleasing tendencies, always wanting others to agree with me. One of my problems is that it has bever been enough to be happy within myself that I am doing the right thing - I have always needed extra recognition from others that I am. This is certainly dysfunctional, and a deep seated tendency that I need to try and resist in future.
However, it is certainly not something I need to do just in order to convince myself of the worth of my own decisions. It's root is that, having satisfied myself that this is right for me, I try to convince others that it is right for them too - or for them to at least say I'm right. It's pure ego. And it's bullshit.
As I've said above, I'm experiencing a deep level of comfort with myself and my decisions. That sense one gets when you just know that you're doing the right thing - even if it might not work out exactly as you would like, the path ahead is still clear. The same feeling I had when I decided to freelance instead of find another job - pretty scary, not without challenges, but just feeling that the time was right, the energies were flowing healthily and that this was the right thing to do. These are the feelings I'm learning to trust.
Now lastly, I'm fully aware of the ad hominem aspect to my post and I'll admit that it's coming from a sense of frustration. This frustration is caused by your using one of the other thought hygiene sins - resorting to a position that is basically saying "I don't care what you believe about your own thought processes, I don't care how others who know you just as well as me are perceiving, my alarm bells are going off and they are never wrong" - thereby making it impossible to counter in any way, except to capitulate and say, yes, I'm thinking in black and white, I'm in trouble. Which would mean that I would be lying to you in order to try and quieten those alarm bells.
And just as you may be getting pissed off, put yourself in my shoes. In the same way as I have been checking and rechecking my thoughts for signs of back and white thinking, try to imagine that I'm not thinking in black and white, and that what I have said above about a lack of dissonance and peace of mind is actually true. Now imagine that as me, I were saying to you that all you're doing is bullshitting yourself and that my alarm bells are going off and I can't be wrong about that, and that this is all cos of alcoholic thinking, and that I think you could be smoking dope. And that you're not realising any of this.
Don't you think that would be a little off-pissing, and might make you feel that you're not being totally respected either?
So time to either talk this out a bit more, or just agree to disagree. And you need to trust that by taking the latter option, you're not leaving me in any danger.
Yes, there is an area that is concerning me about my thinking at the moment - but that isn't whether I'm thinking in black and white about Dubai - it's how I am going to tackle once and for all this egotistical tendency to always want people to agree with me.
My comment for what it's worth, and I apologize for being metaphysical...
I believe that everything happens for a reason, there is a reason that HIS laptop was stolen and not yours...
You can chalk it up to crime in the country, the basic lack of culture/education/whatever... but my point of view, for what it's worth, is that if something happens to you it's because you have created it so. You can call it karma or give it any other name you choose, but MAYBE it could just be that the universe/rota or whatever is using crime as a means to an end.
Sabrina
Thanks Zapruder.
Your response is very balanced and real. And it takes me out of my impasse. I feel heard by you. Which is, I think, the source of my frustration. I've felt up till reading this comment that you've simply been arguing pretty much everything I've said instead of hearing it.
I do feel heard. And I do feel MUCH less alarmed.
It does indeed sound to me like you've found the source of my own dissonance in this... the thing of wanting to persuade others.
My alarm bells ring around 'dishonesty'. I'm NOT accusing you of being dishonest! I'm just filling you in on my process, so that you can sorta 'get' where it comes from.
In this particular situation, what happened was this:
o My alarm bells rang.
o I asked myself, 'Roy, what are you seeing in Zapruder that's making the alarm bells ring?'
o In my search for reasons, I overlooked the possibility of your simply trying to persuade me that Dubai was a better option. Instead, I went straight to, 'Why the fuck is Zapruder trying to persuade me?? What's going on? What's he hiding???'
o Now, at this point, I thought my own thought-hygiene was good. That Sunday night, I put the cards on the table. Told you some of my thoughts up to that point. And you told me all was well.
o Yet, as you were telling me that, you were sending out ANOTHER email to your friends saying, 'I'm in a mild depression.' So YOUR OWN alarm bells were ringing, but when I asked you about it, you 'lied' sorta. You told me all was well.
o I only got that email when I got home that night, and only MUCH later. Small hours of the morning. And that caused a HUGE dissonance in me. On the one hand, I've got my friend sitting with me in a coffee-shop, arguing muslim ethics with regard to women, and lauding the nation as a stirling example on how women should be treated.
On the other hand, as I'm sitting there in that coffee ship, I'm picking up some sort of manipulation, some kind of call for help. I'm putting it on the table, and my friend is deflecting it.
I'm gonna tell you this, so you know it... If you're deflecting me, I KNOW IT.
Please hear that, dude. Rather be honest with me. Say to me, 'Roy, I'm deflecting you.' I will not hold that against you. Because that squares up against my perceptions.
What I WILL hold against you is when you fob me off. Cos I know it. And you know I know it. So it can ONLY be some kind of game playing. Even if that game is your attempting to please me, and to allay my anxieties on your behalf.
o So there we are, with you becoming increasingly defensive, and me picking that up and saying, 'dude, you're becoming more and more defensive', and you saying, 'no no no'.
o And then I'm convinced you're hiding something (not from ME, but from yourself). I don't entirely care what you hold from me. What I care about is YOU. I don't WANT you to die in a puddle of vomit, dude. I don't WANT that.
It's part of why I didn't come and see you in rehab. I wanted to kill you. It's why I said goodbye to you when you came home. So that I KNOW that I've said goodbye, so that if you do a 'Leaving Las Vegas', I will have made my goodbye to you. Sorry to put it in such stark terms, but that's how it is for me.
o And so, when you ASK for my insight, and then refuse to hear it by arguing from an incorrect rhetorical position, it completely reinforces in my mind that something's wrong.
o As for my own incorrect thought hygiene... I'm open to the possibility that I was cornering you. At the same time, I've reviewed my own communication with you a lot over the past few days, and I can say that I've really tried to make my own process transparent to you.
o When I say, 'My alarm bells are ringing', they ARE. There's NOTHING that either of us can do about it. Except to say, 'I'm hearing that your alarm bells are ringing. I wonder why?'
o In this particular case, they were ringing cos of something. And you've identified that to me. It's the persuasion of others thing. The ringing of those alarm bells WAS justified. What it required was this conversation. A conversation in which BOTH of us are transparent about what we're doing and saying.
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Re your being pissed off with me... I hear that, dude. I do. And I know that I can be VERY fucking offpissing when something like this is going down.
Cos I've lived a life where people have told me repeatedly that what I'm perceiving is bullshit. And EVERY time someone's told me that... I repeat EVERY SINGLE TIME... it's turned out that my perception was correct. I WAS picking up something at odds with reality.
I have survived, Zapruder, cos my perceptions are not wrong. I've faced down a drunk, suicidal mother pointing a .33 Ruby revolver at me, then at my drunk father, then at me, then at him.
And I've walked straight up to her, staring into the barrel of a cocked gun on a hairtrigger, and taken the gun off her.
I'm telling you this so you know that my instincts are kinda dependable TO ME.
I'm NOT trying to persuade you that I'm always right. What I AM trying to persuade you of is that you can't lie to me. You can try. But I pick it up. And when I pick it up, my alarm bells ring. And when they ring, the only way to stop them ringing is to tell the truth and not make my truth wrong.
If I get the DETAIL wrong, that's VERY different to getting the underlying issue wrong.
Not having access to your inner being, I could only make the interpretations I made. And put them on the table with full transparency. And when you refuted them with arguments using spurious rhetoric, you were simply NOT addressing my concerns. You were addressing the CONTENT of your arguments, and not the container itself.
In this response of yours, you've been addressing the container. And, as I've said, I feel heard.
And I'm now down to my normal, everyday 'yellow' mode with you (and with everything). Yellow is my 'scope out, check for dissonance, what's wrong with this picture?' mode. It's how I operate in the world.
When I experience dissonance, I get into deep orange mode. This mode is me saying, 'Okay... there's a situation. Evaluate hard. Make decisions. Survival is at stake.' It's what took me across the road automatically in Dublin when I saw a dustbin bag that looked like it could have been a bomb. In orange mode, I'm getting ready to take decisive, life-saving action. I was in orange mode with this situation with you.
If it's warranted, I then go into red mode. Red mode is action. It's doing the things I need to do in order to bring a situation under control.
My long letter to you in this comments page was a red/orange/red mode action.
Dude... I'm sorry you've been pissed off with me.
I want to remind you though, that this is not the first time you've gone into a massive decline when you're seemingly in a great space. It's not the first time you've lied to me and covered it up. It's not the first time you've almost died from your alcoholism.
I want you to know that I'm NOT your enemy, dude. I'm your friend. And I love you. And I don't want you dying cos of fuckheadedness. It's cool if you kill yourself through clear thinking. But not through fuckheadedness. That's unforgiveable to me.
Love
Roy
Life is what you make it, where you make it. Having lived in a few different countries, I can safely say that you'll be no safer, no less aggravated by politicians nor better paid. You are because you believe you are.
There's a lot to be said about being far from the people you love and having make-do friends. Worse when you have to traverse a continent to be with family when someone close dies. Arguments for and against. What I have learned in my 9 years living away from South Africa is the following:
1) Home is definitely where the heart is
2) I still call South Africa home
3) There is no such thing as greener grass, just the illusion of greener grass.
Make the decision that you feel will suit you the best. Separate other people's agendas from your own so that you can make the best decision for you. Just remember that at the end of the day, SA is a long way away in an emergency.
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